It’s all right in front of us. We choose not to see. Many don’t want to see. What is the point ( we say) nothing will be done. But we know. I am beginning to realise that much of international globalist politics is conducted while on drugs. Zelenskyy, Biden, Starmer, Macron, Boris and so on.
And what would a lone tiny teaspoon be doing by itself on the table? Or why would Merz seem so eager to remove it from public gaze ?
Macron has history in the concealment from public scrutiny business - in 2023, in an interview discussing France's pension protests, he became aware the public could see him wearing a luxury wristwatch (allegedly worth $85,000) and tried to stealthily remove it.
I know, the hypocrisy of it all is astounding, or should be. There is a particular evil to incarcerating people for crimes you yourself enjoy. To say nothing of these people in the US presiding over the fentanyl crisis, globally injecting people with experiments, often being in alliance with drug cartels etc etc.
At least now we know why they act the way they do. Dopers in charge, who a thought? Scum buckets if you ask me, including Zelensky. All in it for the grift and not for the people they supposedly represent. Even if the pictures are fake, the character of these faux leaders is as real and incompetent as it gets.
I think they take so many drugs to cover up what little humanity they have left. A normal, reasonable human being can NOT do what they are doing to their countrymen and be comfortable in their skin.
Ugh! All politicians should be on minimum wage ie experiencing the level of prosperity they create by their 'work'. Might not be able to afford cocaine then (I don't know, never taken anything except chemotherapy myself). They should certainly pay their own train fares and buy their own food - like the peasants have to whilst obeying orders.
Hi Dan, to me it just looks like a piece of Kleenex sitting on a desk. I’ve seen lots of baggies of coke (as a criminal lawyer!). It doesn’t look like one to me.
But what’s obvious is Macron’s furtive gesture and sheepish look. That could just be a coincidence. It really could. Not based on his whisking away the tissue in other words. Or possibly being overly embarrassed by it.
Hi Jim. It looks just like a bag of coke in the early pics. For me it still looks like a bag of coke in the later tissue pics, but less so. My feeling is that if either image has been doctored, it’s most likely to be the subsequent ones presented by MSM. The guilty reactions and hiding are not consistent with a tissue, nor is leaving a tissue in front of you normal. Leaving a bag of coke out that you are using makes more sense, as does needing to hide that.
This explains so much! I remember once being with friends in my 20’s, we were just talking and enjoying the socializing. Another friend arrives with a bag of cocaine and everyone (present company excluded) snorts some lines. They all began cacophonously talking at the same time making zero sense which is perfectly okay since no one but myself were listening. Socializing ended. This is pretty much the depth of most political dialogue today.
Roger Waters is talented and vile. I was a Floyd fan, still am, and purchased Waters solo stuff for awhile as well. Some of their lyrics are phenomenal. Their politics suck. The Thatcher hate, standard leftist fare-spoilt rich socialists. Note how it’s all right wing dictators they mention. Waters has the Israel and Jew hating bug big time as well, so bad that other band members fell out with him over it. Musically he might be at genius level, politically he’s a standard leftist and incapable of applying these big objections to authoritarian and totalitarian actions to his side or to himself.
Fair enough. I believe my eyes. I don’t believe someone needs to hide a tissue, or places a tissue on a table in front of them that just happens to look exactly like a bag of cocaine.
"I don't believe someone needs to hide a tissue, or place a tissue in front of them...."
Similarly, I don't believe that Macron would leave a bag of drugs on a table in front of him given the presence of others and knowing full well that he's been filmed.
Likewise I don't believe that that's Zelensky snorting coke. It's like claiming that he's a Nazi Jew.
For any of these things to have substance there needs to be independent or collaborating evidence. Is there?
Well the Zelenskyy one is normally raised the other way round “there aren’t any Nazis in Ukraine, and don’t you know Zelenskyy is Jewish?”.
It is of course possible to find Jews who hate Jews, just as you can find white people who hate whites. Marx was such a person.
As for evidence, I’ve seen both the original footage and the debunking footage and it still looks like a bag of cocaine and my logic still seems logical to me. I’m not sure another opinion makes a difference.
With respect you didn't answer my question which was what is the independent or corroborative evidence that either Macron or Zelensky are drug takers or addicts which is what you're arguing. Having an opinion based on questionable evidence is not conclusive. And I'm not the only person on this thread who doubts what you're saying - see post from Just some guy.
One of the reasons stated for Putin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine was that it was governed by Nazis. In Ukraine's 2019 elections the nationalist parties who claim to represent the so-called Azov Nazis (Azov Battalion) received less than 3% of the vote and occupy no seats in Ukraine's Parliament, the Verkhova Rada.
Zelensky is a Jew who lost family in the Holocaust and there are other members of the Rada who are Jewish. As such I think they would be more than reluctant to have parliamentary colleagues who agreed with the racial ideology of the real Nazis in history who murdered their relatives.
There is no indisputable evidence that Ukraine was or is governed by Nazis that justifies Putin's full-scale invasion of the country.
With equal respect, I don’t really care about the things you are caring about here.
I put forward a case based on my knowledge, experience and observations, combined with basic logic. We have both seen the evidence and differ on what it shows.
For me it’s not my job to jump to find somebody else saying the same thing as me on demand from a reader. Take or leave my points as you please. I come from an academic background. I know how citations and references work. But I’m not really interested in that. What interested me was always the cogency of an argument by itself, the logic and the truthfulness without need for saying “this is true because someone else says it as well”. As I sent along both in an academic context and looking at mainstream media circular referencing of each other, I saw that the kind of corroboration you are talking about was most often argument by authority or group think, or a cynically fraudulent attempt to bolster views that could not stand on their own merits.
You’re therefore asking me to do research for you, or argue in a way that I’m not interested in. I’m not interested in a corroboration hunt, I’m interested in whether the thing seems true to me based on sight and logic.
You might think that’s lazy, or it means corroboration doesn’t exist. I don’t think either is true, I’m just no longer impressed with citing others who have the same opinion.
For me, the evidence of a cocaine bag I’ve seen and the weakness and unlikelihood of the explanations is conclusive. For you it isn’t, fair enough.
As for Ukraine and Nazis, it’s easy to find in that instance the kind of corroboration you demand. Prior to the Russian invasion there were scores of western media articles on Ukraine’s Nazi problem. The Azov Brigade do exist you know, and are not the only Far Right militia. These groups were involved in the 2014 Maidan uprising. Similarly Ukraine’s Nazi past is estsblished, documented, evidenced history and crucially has not been subsequently rejected the way for instance Nazism was in Germany. Bandera is still a national hero. There has also been evidence of this issue during this war, with Ukrainian units photographed wearing Nazi symbols.
It’s true the Russians have exaggerated this aspect, but probably less so than the West has lied about it by pretending it doesn’t exist at all, as you seem to be doing.
The issue is whether Ukraine was and is a Nazi state which is one of the reasons Putin used to justify his full-scale invasion of the country.
Stepan Bandera has been dead for 65 years and while he is a controversial figure in Ukraine's history he's not revered as a national hero nor are Ukrainian school children educated about his exploits. The Azov Battalion wearing insignia reminiscent of the 3rd Reich doesn't put them on a par with the exploits of the German SS which are unmatched in the 21st century.
Given the above it cannot be said that Ukraine is a Nazi state or that it is governed by Nazis. To say so would be the equivalent of saying that the US is a Nazi state because of the presence of white supremists with Swastikas tattooed into their foreheads. If Putin is concerned about Nazis he only has to look at his private army the Wagner Group with its Nazi elements.
Viktor Yanukovych wasn't overthrown by a US backed coup in 2014 but was removed from the presidency by an overwhelming vote of the Ukrainian Parliament for failing
his constitutional obligations by abandoning the position and fleeing to Moscow effectively leaving the country without a leader. The genesis of his removal was that under pressure from Putin he reneged on a commitment to sign an Association Agreement with the EU which would have moved the country closer to Western Europe which was the will of the people. He was replaced by Petro Poroschenko in the country's elections in May '14 with 56% of the vote. The notion that he was a CIA plant is nonsensical. The events surrounding Yanukovych's removal are known as the Revolution of Dignity.
Suggest you read Putin's own 5,000 word essay titled "On the Historical Unity of the Russians and Ukrainians" where he states what he really thinks of Ukraine. He's never recognised Ukraine's sovereignty but along with Belarus and Russia believes that it forms a triune Eastern European Slavic Race that should be united. In his interview with Tucker Carlson he referred to Ukraine as an "artificial state". The idea of a country on Russia's border which wants to join the West is anathema to Putin.
At the time of Putin launching his SMO Ukraine wasn't a member of NATO, had not formally applied for membership, had no nuclear weapons and had little air force or navy to speak of. It posed no existential threat to the Russian Federation whatsoever. It would have made more sense for Putin to take out NATO's headquarters in Brussels than wage a brutal war against people he calls his Fellow Slavic Brothers.
Ukrainians know that this is a fight for the very existence or their homeland. And its hilarious to refer to Zelensky as a war monger given Putin's record since becoming president. Starts the 2nd Chechen War and invades Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2022 both sovereign independent states in violation of international law.
Even if the drug usage were to turn out to be untrue, interesting that we are willing to believe the worst about these uninspiring clowns.
It's not "belief" to understand that our dear leaders are deeply demented people. The evidence for that is rife.
coke addict- I had not heard that one. ❤️ your brilliant wit and withering sarcasm..
The annotated video clip of the three of them caught by surprise on the train is even more damning: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1921568553553240099
The Russians have picked up on it: https://x.com/PlanetReportHQ/status/1921625619340599711.
It’s all right in front of us. We choose not to see. Many don’t want to see. What is the point ( we say) nothing will be done. But we know. I am beginning to realise that much of international globalist politics is conducted while on drugs. Zelenskyy, Biden, Starmer, Macron, Boris and so on.
Yes, as you say, it’s right in front of us.
And what would a lone tiny teaspoon be doing by itself on the table? Or why would Merz seem so eager to remove it from public gaze ?
Macron has history in the concealment from public scrutiny business - in 2023, in an interview discussing France's pension protests, he became aware the public could see him wearing a luxury wristwatch (allegedly worth $85,000) and tried to stealthily remove it.
To make it more interesting, just add Dame Jacinda Ardern, former leader of NZ.
Some reckon she was on even harder stuff, which is why she became so haggard.
And have you seen the title of her autobiography? Prepare to retch.
Once again perfectly said.
I'd probably be more tolerant of drugged up leadership if, in the United States, 80% of the people incarcerated weren't there on drug charges.
I know, the hypocrisy of it all is astounding, or should be. There is a particular evil to incarcerating people for crimes you yourself enjoy. To say nothing of these people in the US presiding over the fentanyl crisis, globally injecting people with experiments, often being in alliance with drug cartels etc etc.
At least now we know why they act the way they do. Dopers in charge, who a thought? Scum buckets if you ask me, including Zelensky. All in it for the grift and not for the people they supposedly represent. Even if the pictures are fake, the character of these faux leaders is as real and incompetent as it gets.
I think they take so many drugs to cover up what little humanity they have left. A normal, reasonable human being can NOT do what they are doing to their countrymen and be comfortable in their skin.
Thank you again for your efforts much appreciated.
Narcissistic personality disorder explains a lot of this type of behavior in my opinion.
Thanks, and yes it does.
Ugh! All politicians should be on minimum wage ie experiencing the level of prosperity they create by their 'work'. Might not be able to afford cocaine then (I don't know, never taken anything except chemotherapy myself). They should certainly pay their own train fares and buy their own food - like the peasants have to whilst obeying orders.
I suppose the supply would come from the security services.
''accompanied by Globalist, war hawk and detested British Prime Wanker Starmer''
War hawk? More like Shitehawk. o|---)
That too!
Attaboy call this shit out it certainly won’t hit mainstream media.
Hi Dan, to me it just looks like a piece of Kleenex sitting on a desk. I’ve seen lots of baggies of coke (as a criminal lawyer!). It doesn’t look like one to me.
But what’s obvious is Macron’s furtive gesture and sheepish look. That could just be a coincidence. It really could. Not based on his whisking away the tissue in other words. Or possibly being overly embarrassed by it.
Suspicious at best, I think. Sorry.
Hi Jim. It looks just like a bag of coke in the early pics. For me it still looks like a bag of coke in the later tissue pics, but less so. My feeling is that if either image has been doctored, it’s most likely to be the subsequent ones presented by MSM. The guilty reactions and hiding are not consistent with a tissue, nor is leaving a tissue in front of you normal. Leaving a bag of coke out that you are using makes more sense, as does needing to hide that.
This explains so much! I remember once being with friends in my 20’s, we were just talking and enjoying the socializing. Another friend arrives with a bag of cocaine and everyone (present company excluded) snorts some lines. They all began cacophonously talking at the same time making zero sense which is perfectly okay since no one but myself were listening. Socializing ended. This is pretty much the depth of most political dialogue today.
It is. People affected by coke often ramble in an energetic way saying meaningless drivel.
The fact that there’s multiple camera angles pretty much proves it’s real. I’m shocked.
I can’t stop thinking about the 1983 lyrics from Pink Floyd’s last album with Roger Waters:
"The Fletcher Memorial Home"
Take all your overgrown infants away somewhere
And build them a home, a little place of their own
The Fletcher Memorial Home
For Incurable Tyrants and Kings
And they can appear to themselves every day
On closed circuit TV
To make sure they're still real
It's the only connection they feel
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Reagan and Haig
Mr. Begin and friend, Mrs. Thatcher, and Paisley (Hello Maggie!)
Mr. Brezhnev and party
(Scusi dov'è il bar?)
The ghost of McCarthy,
And the memories of Nixon
And now, adding colour (Da questa parte)
A group of anonymous Latin-American meat packing glitterati"
Did they expect us to treat them with any respect?
They can polish their medals and sharpen their smiles,
And abuse themselves playing games for a while
Boom boom, bang bang, lie down you're dead
Safe in the permanent gaze of a cold glass eye
Their favourite toy
They'll be good girls and boys
In the Fletcher Memorial Home for colonial
Wasters of life and limb
Is everyone in?
Are you having a nice time?
(Goodbye!)
Now the final solution can be applied
Roger Waters is talented and vile. I was a Floyd fan, still am, and purchased Waters solo stuff for awhile as well. Some of their lyrics are phenomenal. Their politics suck. The Thatcher hate, standard leftist fare-spoilt rich socialists. Note how it’s all right wing dictators they mention. Waters has the Israel and Jew hating bug big time as well, so bad that other band members fell out with him over it. Musically he might be at genius level, politically he’s a standard leftist and incapable of applying these big objections to authoritarian and totalitarian actions to his side or to himself.
I don't believe any of this. Not because I couldn't be convinced, but because no one has convinced me.
Fair enough. I believe my eyes. I don’t believe someone needs to hide a tissue, or places a tissue on a table in front of them that just happens to look exactly like a bag of cocaine.
"I don't believe someone needs to hide a tissue, or place a tissue in front of them...."
Similarly, I don't believe that Macron would leave a bag of drugs on a table in front of him given the presence of others and knowing full well that he's been filmed.
Likewise I don't believe that that's Zelensky snorting coke. It's like claiming that he's a Nazi Jew.
For any of these things to have substance there needs to be independent or collaborating evidence. Is there?
Well the Zelenskyy one is normally raised the other way round “there aren’t any Nazis in Ukraine, and don’t you know Zelenskyy is Jewish?”.
It is of course possible to find Jews who hate Jews, just as you can find white people who hate whites. Marx was such a person.
As for evidence, I’ve seen both the original footage and the debunking footage and it still looks like a bag of cocaine and my logic still seems logical to me. I’m not sure another opinion makes a difference.
With respect you didn't answer my question which was what is the independent or corroborative evidence that either Macron or Zelensky are drug takers or addicts which is what you're arguing. Having an opinion based on questionable evidence is not conclusive. And I'm not the only person on this thread who doubts what you're saying - see post from Just some guy.
One of the reasons stated for Putin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine was that it was governed by Nazis. In Ukraine's 2019 elections the nationalist parties who claim to represent the so-called Azov Nazis (Azov Battalion) received less than 3% of the vote and occupy no seats in Ukraine's Parliament, the Verkhova Rada.
Zelensky is a Jew who lost family in the Holocaust and there are other members of the Rada who are Jewish. As such I think they would be more than reluctant to have parliamentary colleagues who agreed with the racial ideology of the real Nazis in history who murdered their relatives.
There is no indisputable evidence that Ukraine was or is governed by Nazis that justifies Putin's full-scale invasion of the country.
With equal respect, I don’t really care about the things you are caring about here.
I put forward a case based on my knowledge, experience and observations, combined with basic logic. We have both seen the evidence and differ on what it shows.
For me it’s not my job to jump to find somebody else saying the same thing as me on demand from a reader. Take or leave my points as you please. I come from an academic background. I know how citations and references work. But I’m not really interested in that. What interested me was always the cogency of an argument by itself, the logic and the truthfulness without need for saying “this is true because someone else says it as well”. As I sent along both in an academic context and looking at mainstream media circular referencing of each other, I saw that the kind of corroboration you are talking about was most often argument by authority or group think, or a cynically fraudulent attempt to bolster views that could not stand on their own merits.
You’re therefore asking me to do research for you, or argue in a way that I’m not interested in. I’m not interested in a corroboration hunt, I’m interested in whether the thing seems true to me based on sight and logic.
You might think that’s lazy, or it means corroboration doesn’t exist. I don’t think either is true, I’m just no longer impressed with citing others who have the same opinion.
For me, the evidence of a cocaine bag I’ve seen and the weakness and unlikelihood of the explanations is conclusive. For you it isn’t, fair enough.
As for Ukraine and Nazis, it’s easy to find in that instance the kind of corroboration you demand. Prior to the Russian invasion there were scores of western media articles on Ukraine’s Nazi problem. The Azov Brigade do exist you know, and are not the only Far Right militia. These groups were involved in the 2014 Maidan uprising. Similarly Ukraine’s Nazi past is estsblished, documented, evidenced history and crucially has not been subsequently rejected the way for instance Nazism was in Germany. Bandera is still a national hero. There has also been evidence of this issue during this war, with Ukrainian units photographed wearing Nazi symbols.
It’s true the Russians have exaggerated this aspect, but probably less so than the West has lied about it by pretending it doesn’t exist at all, as you seem to be doing.
The issue is whether Ukraine was and is a Nazi state which is one of the reasons Putin used to justify his full-scale invasion of the country.
Stepan Bandera has been dead for 65 years and while he is a controversial figure in Ukraine's history he's not revered as a national hero nor are Ukrainian school children educated about his exploits. The Azov Battalion wearing insignia reminiscent of the 3rd Reich doesn't put them on a par with the exploits of the German SS which are unmatched in the 21st century.
Given the above it cannot be said that Ukraine is a Nazi state or that it is governed by Nazis. To say so would be the equivalent of saying that the US is a Nazi state because of the presence of white supremists with Swastikas tattooed into their foreheads. If Putin is concerned about Nazis he only has to look at his private army the Wagner Group with its Nazi elements.
Viktor Yanukovych wasn't overthrown by a US backed coup in 2014 but was removed from the presidency by an overwhelming vote of the Ukrainian Parliament for failing
his constitutional obligations by abandoning the position and fleeing to Moscow effectively leaving the country without a leader. The genesis of his removal was that under pressure from Putin he reneged on a commitment to sign an Association Agreement with the EU which would have moved the country closer to Western Europe which was the will of the people. He was replaced by Petro Poroschenko in the country's elections in May '14 with 56% of the vote. The notion that he was a CIA plant is nonsensical. The events surrounding Yanukovych's removal are known as the Revolution of Dignity.
Suggest you read Putin's own 5,000 word essay titled "On the Historical Unity of the Russians and Ukrainians" where he states what he really thinks of Ukraine. He's never recognised Ukraine's sovereignty but along with Belarus and Russia believes that it forms a triune Eastern European Slavic Race that should be united. In his interview with Tucker Carlson he referred to Ukraine as an "artificial state". The idea of a country on Russia's border which wants to join the West is anathema to Putin.
At the time of Putin launching his SMO Ukraine wasn't a member of NATO, had not formally applied for membership, had no nuclear weapons and had little air force or navy to speak of. It posed no existential threat to the Russian Federation whatsoever. It would have made more sense for Putin to take out NATO's headquarters in Brussels than wage a brutal war against people he calls his Fellow Slavic Brothers.
Ukrainians know that this is a fight for the very existence or their homeland. And its hilarious to refer to Zelensky as a war monger given Putin's record since becoming president. Starts the 2nd Chechen War and invades Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2022 both sovereign independent states in violation of international law.