A fair and comprehensive summary of where we are now - thank you for clarifying it all.
Sorry to see Farage fall at this stage, but we now need someone with staying power and charisma, perhaps Rupert Lowe, who will call out every false step and autocratic move of the current government shower for what it is.
Ideally, that same someone would be prepared to take us out of globalist organisations like the ECHR, WHO and UN.
The world is fragmenting; we now need to face that fact and realign with the citizen majority to adopt unashamedly national priorities in order to navigate successfully through it.
Thanks and I couldn’t agree more. We need to follow the Italian, US and Argentinian example-real populism that doesn’t give a damn about being called names. The measures you suggest would be high on my list of priorities too.
I agree with what you have written with regard to Tommy Robinson. Matthew Goodwin made the point on his recent substack that because Tommy has been so vilified Nigel took the correct position. I think Nigel could have highlighted the woeful cowardice of successive governments on the topic of grooming gangs whilst also distancing himself from Tommy without engaging in an unnecesssary character attack.
He could have told the truth-that Tommy has been an absolute hero in terms of speaking for victims when nobody else did. He could have told the truth again by saying that the political class and media class who were complicit in the rape of children have no moral leg to stand on criticising anyone. He could have told the truth and said the real disgrace, scandal and horror is that our country allowed child rapists to operate while harassing the victims and families into silence and then persecuting and imprisoning other people who told the truth on it all. It was a huge opportunity for both honesty and a scathing assessment of the main parties, and instead he played safe as the Westminster bubble understands it and attacked Robinson, which is the opposite of playing aafe in terms of gathering votes. Even if Farage was unwilling to endorse Tommy, he could have simply replied to any comments about him that it’s sick to not go after child rapists but then go after people speaking about child rapists. This would have turned it all back on the mainstream and been brave, defiant and true, the things most voters want.
Contempt of court also does not warrant a holiday in Belmarsh which is for terrorists. An open prison would not have smacked of state vindictiveness in the same way.
Yes exactly. I agree 100%. At least Jordan Peterson was willing not only to interview Tommy but to highlight his courage in his relentless campaign to publicise the horrific abuse, rape and torture of up to 1 million young, mainly white girls.
I'm so glad you wrote about this. Of course Farage sees Tommy as a threat to Reform's existing and potential future supporters, irrespective of Tommy's value to the country. He can't resist smearing Tommy's heroism but doesn't see that by so doing, he's belittling himself. However, he has a more long-term problem wrt the UK muslim population, which has expanded rapidly in the last couple of decades and will continue to do so. Farage has said "‘If we politically alienate the whole of Islam, we will lose’", inferring he'd prefer to downplay rather than expose the muslim connection to the rape gangs. Hence Tommy is a thorn in his side.
Lowe would for me. I voted Reform, where we are - rural Somerset - only retards vote Labour. Lib Dem won, we alternate between the Dims and the Conservatives in name only.
Agree with you on Farage, don't like Tice, and Mullins, no way. Never mind his hair.
Still, I guess there is still time for Reform to wake up; regardless, unless Lowe or an equivalently articulate and fierce campaigner take over, I can't see me voting.
You are right that never backing down or sucking up to media puppeteers (that awful, jumped-up, no-mark, BBC-manufactured, Paxman-to-Maitlis ilk) is an absolutely essential precondition of being an effective counter-woke leader. It's a rare thing though among the kind of people who go into politics...even conservative ones. It was a big part of the electoral chemistry both of Margaret Thatcher and of Donald Trump. Farage?....not sure.... let's see.
Farage should be thanked for Brexit, but he has nothing else to offer beyond the Tories. Any "reform party" not advocating for mass deportations isn';t interested in reforms.
As ever - you speak my thoughts! I have been very disappointed in Farage recently. His obvious fear of being called racist by the msm and your comment that "all that signals is a Tory style weakness most of us have long since lost patience with" is spot on. Maybe Musk has called it! Who is the heir apparent? I think Matt Goodwin would be a brilliant leader.
Sorry, but this is NOT US, nothing like it because there one is either 'Red' or 'Blue': that's it. One cannot compare the 2 countries. We have a number of other Parties. The question is how can all conservative be persuaded to vote Reform rather than Tory eg people like my friend (and there are plenty like her!) who are ex Labour supporters who voted Remain, but who won't entertain the idea of Nigel Farage, let alone someone like Tommy Robinson. There are many Conservative voters who feel the same way. I think Nigel Farage is very astute politically. If all conservative-minded (not Woke etc) voters cannot be pursuaded to vote Reform, then the situation is hopeless. I don't like the continual undermining of the Reform Party; they know they have to play the game to win. This is not just about Red-Wall seats, this is about doing the seemingly impossible and getting elected, meaning in effect replacing the Tories, even if many are uncomfortable with this. Even one person admitted to me on X that, even though she was a TR supporter, she would still vote Reform because she was aware that voting for UKIP would be a wasted vote. We need to concentrate on the issues, not on the personalities and petty squabbling. Although, I agree with Elon Musk's views in general, he clearly does not understand UK, and I don't think he should have interfered and undermined Reform; it was a very foolish move.
Sorry I totally disagree. There are lots of parallels with the US. British Conservatives have been very like US RINOs-refusing to listen to their voters, refusing to fight for the things we want and against the things we don’t want, and being utterly useless. If Reform ‘play the game’ to be just like the Conservatives of recent decades, then what is the point of transferring from Conservstive to Reform, you’re getting the same weak and useless bullshit. I agree that Reform could be our only hope of getting sanity back, but not if Farage ‘plays the game’. You get the Red Wall through populism, through ditching the EU fully and making life better for ordinary people. You don’t get it by being weak and saying how much you snobbishly dislike Tommy Robinson. I voted Reform, but I don’t want them to be as worthless as the Conservatives. I want them to fight for this country, not worry about being called racist.
As for Musk, everything he said was right and he had every right to say it. It was just spectacularly stupid of Reform to try and appease the Globalist mainstream and end up disgusting Musk (and Reform voters like me) in the process.
A lot of my friends are American, and they think totally differently from us. Starmer 'played the game' until he was elected. This is the only way to succeed here sadly. That does not mean we get the 'same old'. The main thing is getting into power, which Reform won't do, unless it distances itself from TR. This is the reality, I'm afraid. Musk is wrong.
I’m seeing ads from Poland for Europeans who don’t want to live like that anymore, it’s worth looking into.The Uk is well positioned to be the next Oct. 7
A fair and comprehensive summary of where we are now - thank you for clarifying it all.
Sorry to see Farage fall at this stage, but we now need someone with staying power and charisma, perhaps Rupert Lowe, who will call out every false step and autocratic move of the current government shower for what it is.
Ideally, that same someone would be prepared to take us out of globalist organisations like the ECHR, WHO and UN.
The world is fragmenting; we now need to face that fact and realign with the citizen majority to adopt unashamedly national priorities in order to navigate successfully through it.
Thanks and I couldn’t agree more. We need to follow the Italian, US and Argentinian example-real populism that doesn’t give a damn about being called names. The measures you suggest would be high on my list of priorities too.
I agree with what you have written with regard to Tommy Robinson. Matthew Goodwin made the point on his recent substack that because Tommy has been so vilified Nigel took the correct position. I think Nigel could have highlighted the woeful cowardice of successive governments on the topic of grooming gangs whilst also distancing himself from Tommy without engaging in an unnecesssary character attack.
He could have told the truth-that Tommy has been an absolute hero in terms of speaking for victims when nobody else did. He could have told the truth again by saying that the political class and media class who were complicit in the rape of children have no moral leg to stand on criticising anyone. He could have told the truth and said the real disgrace, scandal and horror is that our country allowed child rapists to operate while harassing the victims and families into silence and then persecuting and imprisoning other people who told the truth on it all. It was a huge opportunity for both honesty and a scathing assessment of the main parties, and instead he played safe as the Westminster bubble understands it and attacked Robinson, which is the opposite of playing aafe in terms of gathering votes. Even if Farage was unwilling to endorse Tommy, he could have simply replied to any comments about him that it’s sick to not go after child rapists but then go after people speaking about child rapists. This would have turned it all back on the mainstream and been brave, defiant and true, the things most voters want.
Contempt of court also does not warrant a holiday in Belmarsh which is for terrorists. An open prison would not have smacked of state vindictiveness in the same way.
Yes exactly. I agree 100%. At least Jordan Peterson was willing not only to interview Tommy but to highlight his courage in his relentless campaign to publicise the horrific abuse, rape and torture of up to 1 million young, mainly white girls.
I'm so glad you wrote about this. Of course Farage sees Tommy as a threat to Reform's existing and potential future supporters, irrespective of Tommy's value to the country. He can't resist smearing Tommy's heroism but doesn't see that by so doing, he's belittling himself. However, he has a more long-term problem wrt the UK muslim population, which has expanded rapidly in the last couple of decades and will continue to do so. Farage has said "‘If we politically alienate the whole of Islam, we will lose’", inferring he'd prefer to downplay rather than expose the muslim connection to the rape gangs. Hence Tommy is a thorn in his side.
Lowe would for me. I voted Reform, where we are - rural Somerset - only retards vote Labour. Lib Dem won, we alternate between the Dims and the Conservatives in name only.
Agree with you on Farage, don't like Tice, and Mullins, no way. Never mind his hair.
Still, I guess there is still time for Reform to wake up; regardless, unless Lowe or an equivalently articulate and fierce campaigner take over, I can't see me voting.
You are right that never backing down or sucking up to media puppeteers (that awful, jumped-up, no-mark, BBC-manufactured, Paxman-to-Maitlis ilk) is an absolutely essential precondition of being an effective counter-woke leader. It's a rare thing though among the kind of people who go into politics...even conservative ones. It was a big part of the electoral chemistry both of Margaret Thatcher and of Donald Trump. Farage?....not sure.... let's see.
Farage should be thanked for Brexit, but he has nothing else to offer beyond the Tories. Any "reform party" not advocating for mass deportations isn';t interested in reforms.
As ever - you speak my thoughts! I have been very disappointed in Farage recently. His obvious fear of being called racist by the msm and your comment that "all that signals is a Tory style weakness most of us have long since lost patience with" is spot on. Maybe Musk has called it! Who is the heir apparent? I think Matt Goodwin would be a brilliant leader.
Sorry, but this is NOT US, nothing like it because there one is either 'Red' or 'Blue': that's it. One cannot compare the 2 countries. We have a number of other Parties. The question is how can all conservative be persuaded to vote Reform rather than Tory eg people like my friend (and there are plenty like her!) who are ex Labour supporters who voted Remain, but who won't entertain the idea of Nigel Farage, let alone someone like Tommy Robinson. There are many Conservative voters who feel the same way. I think Nigel Farage is very astute politically. If all conservative-minded (not Woke etc) voters cannot be pursuaded to vote Reform, then the situation is hopeless. I don't like the continual undermining of the Reform Party; they know they have to play the game to win. This is not just about Red-Wall seats, this is about doing the seemingly impossible and getting elected, meaning in effect replacing the Tories, even if many are uncomfortable with this. Even one person admitted to me on X that, even though she was a TR supporter, she would still vote Reform because she was aware that voting for UKIP would be a wasted vote. We need to concentrate on the issues, not on the personalities and petty squabbling. Although, I agree with Elon Musk's views in general, he clearly does not understand UK, and I don't think he should have interfered and undermined Reform; it was a very foolish move.
Sorry I totally disagree. There are lots of parallels with the US. British Conservatives have been very like US RINOs-refusing to listen to their voters, refusing to fight for the things we want and against the things we don’t want, and being utterly useless. If Reform ‘play the game’ to be just like the Conservatives of recent decades, then what is the point of transferring from Conservstive to Reform, you’re getting the same weak and useless bullshit. I agree that Reform could be our only hope of getting sanity back, but not if Farage ‘plays the game’. You get the Red Wall through populism, through ditching the EU fully and making life better for ordinary people. You don’t get it by being weak and saying how much you snobbishly dislike Tommy Robinson. I voted Reform, but I don’t want them to be as worthless as the Conservatives. I want them to fight for this country, not worry about being called racist.
As for Musk, everything he said was right and he had every right to say it. It was just spectacularly stupid of Reform to try and appease the Globalist mainstream and end up disgusting Musk (and Reform voters like me) in the process.
A lot of my friends are American, and they think totally differently from us. Starmer 'played the game' until he was elected. This is the only way to succeed here sadly. That does not mean we get the 'same old'. The main thing is getting into power, which Reform won't do, unless it distances itself from TR. This is the reality, I'm afraid. Musk is wrong.
I’m seeing ads from Poland for Europeans who don’t want to live like that anymore, it’s worth looking into.The Uk is well positioned to be the next Oct. 7