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Alan Jurek's avatar

Daniel,

I'm keeping this for posterity it's so forensic and true.

All I can say to Grok is don't play chess with Daniel, you'll lose.

🇮🇱 Shalom.

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Jupplandia's avatar

Thanks Alan. Glad you liked it. I’m actually terrible at chess though. I was once beaten in three moves by a drippy drug addict who always seemed semi catatonic. 😂

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Well done.

And still we have to tread carefully. I personally have been accused of ant-Semitism for the "sin" of attacking Soros and his campaign to destabilize America. I have also routinely attacked leftist Jews --not for their heritage or religion but for their leftism. Does that make me an anti-Semite? I hope not. Just as I hope we do not give too much currency to lunatic organizations such as the ADL, which I despise for their politics not their roots in Judaism.

Still, there is something about Tucker that I find very troubling. It is the soft, careful but nonetheless palpable "country club anti-Semitism" he evinces. The smirky 'those people" comments. So, no, I don't give him the benefit of the doubt when he gives currency to morons such as Fuentes, Cooper and Smith.

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Jupplandia's avatar

It’s always ok to attack a leftist Jew (verbally). It’s never ok to think the problem bit is ‘Jew’, rather than ‘leftist’. That’s how I function anyway. Same with white and black leftists.

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Clarity Seeker's avatar

Bruce, I am jewish and also have some strong comments regarding George and other Jewish leftists. We had a robust discussion today in TFP as this is, as Daniel noted, a very difficult subject. I also uttered my opinion regarding MTG on this subject. I am not here to relitigate the issue. But I feel strongly about two issues: 1) Carlson needs to be interviewed by a non Jewish well respected historian and political analyst ( i proposed VDH) who will ask tough specific questions with follow up to avoid general bulkshit answers ( including if guys like cooper and Fuentes hate jews) and 2) if all this Carlson stuff isnt confronted and put to bed quickly it could cost the GOP the congress next year and be harmful in 28 as well. I heard thst Prof R. GEORGE quit Heritage today and wrote a pretty great resignation letter that ties all of this together with basic american principles and values. I hope to.confirm all of this tonight or in the morning. Curious if you or anyone else has seen anything about this. This battle must be fought by non jewish Americans in the main in my opinion ( for obvious reasons).

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English Voice's avatar

Lots to think about here. I have found it harder to follow Tucker. Perhaps it started with the Aliens are Real interview. Candace Owens has gone off for me too.

It's worth remembering that Tucker has CIA embedded in his family and is part of the Washington elite. Having a debate with people who have different opinions is one thing but not challenging them on their positions is not good journalism.

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Jupplandia's avatar

Exactly. Talking to them would be OK if he pushed back on it. Instrad he supports what they say.

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Sarah's avatar

Best not to 'follow' anyone.

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Mystic William's avatar

Complicated subject. One point you didn’t mention and I think it is noteworthy. If one doesn’t consider Islam an existential threat to the world, as I do, I could see someone being confused as to the extent the US aligns itself with Israel. But Israel is at the front lines of a hot war, yet undeclared, against an organized philosophy aimed at world domination. You could be an avowed Jew hater and still the rational thing would be to support Israel.

As far as AIPAC lobbying hard for their interests…so? That is allowed under the system. There is nothing nefarious about following the rules well. Also, the biggest and best lobbying group, one so good it is barely mentioned are Wall Street banks. They are not attacked like Israel is.

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Jupplandia's avatar

Exactly, and of course no other racial group or nation is attacked for having lobbyists and organisations. Maybe CAIR a little, but they are a genuine threat and a Muslim Brotherhood terrorist threat. The fact Tucker doesn’t say anything these days about Islam is very telling for me.

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Mystic William's avatar

He is being paid. By Qatar probably. He has always shilled for the highest bidder. He would never have been the name he is if he had spoken out honestly, ever.

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Mystic William's avatar

And Qatar is merely the front man for International Islamism.

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NY Nanny's avatar

This is by far the best article about one of my favorite entertainers, Tucker Carlson. Thank you Daniel!

We seem to forget that like all politicians, Tucker is first and foremost an actor and a very good one at that.

Here's Exhibit A- his performance on Dancing with the Stars: https://youtu.be/FRTYvygTArs?si=1YrTbMWe7CNmiNxQ

Nevertheless, we have to wonder just whose script he's following. Daniel has done a yeoman's job in dissecting the particulars of Tucker's descent into anti-Semitism, Jew hating and just plain weirdness.

Why would Tucker EVER interview and/or give credence to such a bunch of LOSERS like Kanye West, Candace and the odious Nick Fuentes who I guarantee 99.9% of viewers never heard of before. Forget about Tucker getting money from the anti- Jewish groups, I think he's getting paid as an agent for these talentless has beens who simply need to promote themselves.

H.L. Mencken had it right: "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”

Today the hobgoblins are much more sophisticated actors like Tucker, Sean, Levin, et al who pander to their screen addicted audiences, myself included. When all is said and done, it's a guilty pleasure to watch their performances but at some point we have to turn off our devices and go back outside to Realville.

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Jupplandia's avatar

Thanks very much. He there is a lot of the acfor in Tucker. The transformation from the bow tied caricature Republican to the fake outdoorsman for instance.

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NY Nanny's avatar

Thank YOU for liking my comment! I am very flattered as I admire your work tremendously.

Politics = Show Biz

The greatest actor of them all: the Ring Master, our own President Trump.

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Mick Bolton's avatar

Stop it NYN! He's big headed enough as it is! ;o)

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Gary Edwards's avatar

While it may be true that 99% of Tuckers audience hasn't heard of Fuentes, Nick is far more known by the younger set. I find it interesting that these older commentators are being influenced by their children to pay attention to the world of the younger folks. I see it in O'Reilly too, albeit in a different way.

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Jupplandia's avatar

One of the problems in our society, for me, is the preponderance of attention paid to youth. Culture is often determined by the young, and it would be better to be determined by the wise. It’s also deeply unhealthy how few of us ever actually grow up.

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Sarah's avatar

I totally agree with you on this. It's a good job no one paid any attention to my views, when I was younger.

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Gary Edwards's avatar

Yes, the glorification of youth is new, much so to the respect for our elders crowd. Worship of the youth is dangerous.

In this case what I am saying is the "kids today " thing is also problematic and for one I'm glad to see the older pundits are listening when their kids speak regarding popular culture.

One can't have a well rounded opinion if you ignore youth culture (ostensibly without glorifying it).

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Stout Yeoman's avatar

Anti-semitism is too serious to be excused or mitigated.

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Patricia's avatar

I see Tucker exactly the same way that you see him Daniel. It seems to me that antisemitism is an ever mutating virus like belief system which infects other largely legitimate positions, eg America First thus masking itself within what would otherwise be 'respecable' or mainstream'. Why people cannot detect it astonishes me. As far as I am concerned anyone, like Tucker, who showcases this ideology is either a believer, a paid fraud or completely irresponsible. That is why I stopped watching him long ago.

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Jupplandia's avatar

Thanks Patricia. Yes it’s good at pretending to be about something else.

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Barry Lederman, “normie”'s avatar

Excellent conversation; it takes two to tango and you found a partner that can keep up with you.

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Jupplandia's avatar

Thanks Barry 😀

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Sarah's avatar

It's amazing, yet very concerning, that Grok speaks more sense than a lot of people.

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Jupplandia's avatar

Yes exactly. Probably one of the most reasonable conversations I’ve ever had. 😂

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Gary Edwards's avatar

All the AI platforms tend to try to agree with you, so that's unsurprising. It's clear that Tucker is more out there on who he interviews, but sometimes by fully exposing these people to the public, he shows them to be sonewhat disenguous.

It's all infotainment now.

Heres hoping you'll get your $7000 later!

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Jupplandia's avatar

I don’t think he ever does it to expose them though. He does it because he agrees with them. That’s the problem. Even a neutral stance might be morally crap given what some of these people believe, but it would at least make it objective reportage to an extent. Tucker interviews them all in on what they are saying.

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Gary Edwards's avatar

I dunno isnt allowing them to say what they say and exposing them the same thing? It let's folks make their own conclusions I do get your your point tho.

Increasingly it's all about generating interactions, which is to say, all about money.

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Neural Foundry's avatar

The way you used Grok to systematicaly build the case is brillint. What strikes me most is the one-sidedness of Tucker's guest choices when it comes to Israel and Jewish topics. If this were really about opposing foreign entanglements, we'd see the same treatmnt for other lobbies and alliances. The selectivity is what makes the pattern so undeniable, especially when combined with his willingnes to platform actual Holocaust deniers like Cooper.

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allen's avatar

"'Rabbi Sacks defines the application of antisemitism as “persecuting Jews and denying them the right to exist collectively with the same rights as everyone else.”

"It is not merely disliking Jews, but rather an attempt to deny Jewish people their collective identity, faith, and place in the world, with the same rights accorded to other groups.

"Rabbi Sacks famously described antisemitism as a "mutating virus" that changes its form to adapt to the prevailing culture's highest source of authority."

If the wishes of those you reference were given sway, there would be no Israel and no Jews. Indeed, the policy of Eichmann would prevail: Jews must be hunted down and eradicated wherever they may be found.

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ANDREEA LEONTE's avatar

Insightful. Your honesty about an 'evolving view' on Tucker is genuinely refreshing. It’s rare to see such clear-sighted, non-binary thinking in current debates. Please keep sharing your perspectiv; it's sorely neded.

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Mick Bolton's avatar

''I used to like and enjoy his content.''

Says it all for me too Daniel

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